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Will Changes in Marriage Change the Church?

10/7/2014

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Yesterday the Supreme Court chose not to review an appellate court's ruling that struck down the law that only recognized opposite-sex marriage in Indiana. That's where I live and I've been thinking about what that means for those who are united with Jesus Christ.

Back in the early '90's, I remember the disappointment of conservative Christians because Disney made a number of public changes in support of LGBTQ individuals. I remember at the the time that I was unable to understand the disappointment. There were plenty of others places in culture that were making similar changes, but why was Disney such a focus? I realized that it was because many Christians thought Disney was "theirs," a safe place for entertainment for their children.

Having grown up Amish Mennonite, Disney had always been seen as a part of the degenerate culture for many reasons. We didn't have television or radio in our home. I had a very clear sense growing up that I was called to live separately from our broader culture, and everything beyond our small community should be treated with mistrust and critiqued. Life has changed a bit for me since then, but I continue to carry with me a suspicion of what is happening in the broader culture.

We are united with Jesus Christ. Christians have been at their worst throughout history when they've used government policies to make people be good. We've been at our best when we sacrifice, live as alternatives at the edge of society, when we live into the story we are given by God rather than reacting to a story we think is being imposed upon us.  We are called to be a counter-culture and to live it with joy. We are a nation that has incredible freedom. Our most cherished freedom, the presence of the Holy Spirit within us, is a freedom that can never be taken away. 

When we get focused on laws and rights, we lose our saltiness. Our identity is compromised in the midst of the battle, and the fruits of the Spirit in our own lives are the first casualty. Perhaps Christians will look more carefully at other areas where we have compromised and been taken in by cultural values that conflict with Christian virtue. Materialism, the way we value and raise our children, and our food addictions are all problems that need to be addressed. Christians are called to live joyfully into an alternative that is empowered by the Spirit of God within. The ending to our story has already been written in the book of Revelation. We can move full speed ahead with the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control that God has already given us. We are a counter-culture, we are not American citizens first. We are citizens of the upside-down kingdom.
-John M Troyer
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Jenny Miller
10/6/2014 10:23:15 pm

So I’m writing once again just to make sure your other readers keep fresh in their minds that yours is not the only Christian perspective on this. It is too easy to judge your own perspective the only true, faithful, Christian one, but this is just simply not so. We are all still learning and discovering God’s will as we travel the twists and turns of this ever-changing journey through life.
The fruits of the Spirit are exactly the Christian virtues that lead me and many other faithful, discerning Jesus-followers to embrace and bless marriage between two individuals committed to life-long fidelity to each other, regardless of the sexual orientation they were born with. As Karl Shelley notes, please remember that “a God-following, Bible-believing Mennonite can, with integrity, recognize our LGBTQ sisters and brothers as whole, gifted, beloved children of God; worthy of the same respect and opportunities given those who are born heterosexual.”

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John M Troyer
10/6/2014 11:24:00 pm

I'm always baffled with why those who affirm gay marriage feel it's so important to claim the name Mennonite, to publicly proclaim themselves as spiritual heirs to Menno Simons. Here's what he had to say. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/simon/works1.iv.xxi.html

"Again, under this kingdom, and under this King, no other wedlock must be tolerated, except between one man and one woman, as God had in the beginning established in the union of Adam and Eve; and Christ has further said, that these two are one flesh, and that they shall not separate, save for the cause of fornication."

Then, in an utterly shocking display of intolerance, he goes on to give this advice to those who would teach something different:

"Dear children, reform yourselves. Every one who teaches you otherwise, than is testified by the word of the Lord, even though he were one who could dry up the bottom of the sea, and hurl the stars down from heaven, let him be abandoned, and let his doctrine be regarded as deceiving and erroneous, for, to all eternity there may no other foundation be laid, than that which is laid, Christ Jesus. He is the corner stone and foundation in Zion, on whom all the building fitly framed together (according to his will, Spirit and word), groweth into a holy temple unto the Lord. O ye backsliding children, hear the word of God and make haste, for your way is in darkness, and your path leads to death. Embrace the truth and learn wisdom, for your comforters have destroyed you and rendered uneven the way in which you must go. Munster and Amsterdam may well be to you an eternal warning and example. When a prophet, said Moses, speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is not the thing which the Lord hath spoken? O dear Lord! How many innocent hearts have they ruined? How many poor souls have they deceived? What gross shame have they cast upon the word of the Lord? What great abominations have some of them committed under the appearance of good? How have they made the poor, blind magistrates, who are, alas, destitute of a correct understanding of the holy word, to be guilty of innocent blood? I think it is time you should see and learn to know your lying faithless, and deceiving prophets. They are the foxes which destroy the vineyard of the Lord. These are the thieves and murderers of your souls; false prophets who deny the Lord that bought them; who have directed you, poor erring sheep, by their own lying visions, dreams, and thoughts of their hearts, and have led you against all the Scriptures upon a false and loose foundation. How like unto those you have become, of whom Busebius writes, that they walked according to the lusts of their hearts, as the prophets foretold."

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Jenny Miller
10/6/2014 11:55:15 pm

I am sure we can all agree that the Mennonite Church has changed and evolved since its origins in the 1500s. I'm sure Menno Simons was a wonderful man and wrote a lot of inspiring things, but he was just a human, who like all of us was fallible. Please don't tell me everything Menno Simons wrote in the 1500s is embraced by the Mennonite Church of today. Yes, I am proud of my Mennonite roots, proud of Menno Simons wisdom and courage, and proud of Mennonites today who are taking a stand for social justice and marriage equality.

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Sam derr
10/7/2014 12:30:56 pm

Leviticus ch 18 vr 22. 1corithians ch6 vrs 9&10. It really doesn't matter what menno said you are right he is only human but what the bible says is from God and cannot be changed we can't pick and chose what is right it is written out for us. We should love all sinners ( I include myself because we are all sinners ) enough to tell them when they are out of Gods will so that we can help them to come back into Gods grace. We can't help them by trying to twist Gods words to suit what we want to believe

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Doug Klopfenstein
10/7/2014 02:42:23 pm

Belief is not a synonym for truth...let me explain. Let's say I hear someone say that high fat, high cholesterol, and high sugar diets truly are not harmful...in fact, our bodies have "evolved" and they are actually helpful to our health. They share with me that fats make us feel satisfied, cholesterol brings stability in every cell throughout body, and sugar is the easiest energy source for our body to utalize in everyday activity....what happiness I finally feel! Freedom from all the restricitve rules I have previously known. Daily, I begin to eat items like double cheesburger deep dish pizza with XL chocolate milkshakes, burgers with extra cheese and bacon, loaded fries, Ben & Jerry's extra creamy ice cream....and life feels good. I have chosen to believe that foundational things previously taught by experts are left for "simple folk" and instead, cling to a few pieces that are indeed true, but incomplete pictures of reality. As my body begins to show signs of break-down, I refuse to accept the "old way of thinking" and begin to take the next step...medication for what is wrong, without changing the cause. This is used to control my blood pressure, regulate my insulin levels, and then I need a "mood improver" as well...just until I get over this little time in my life. But I am happy and helathy right?!? I end up dying of a heart-attack and with emotional problems that kept me tryng to cover up what I really had become. My life was stripped from me because I chose to ignore the full truth...truth that has been taught for many years. Homosexuality leads to a broken and twisted life....society has proven that time and time again. Why are we choosing to ignore the obvious and cover up the fact that those involved in this "life style" constantly are looking for satisfaction and contentment? (Their constant need to "be heard" proves how discontent and unfulfilled their lives have become.) God's instructions are clear, concise, and perfect. I used to say that in the Mennonite church, it was "the unspoken majority, against the spoken minority." Unfortunately, I don't see it that way anymore....the majority of people remained silent for too long (not wanting conflict due to Annabaptist heritage?) and therefore the minority's voice was heard, accepted, and believed by those desperately seeking answers...only to be decieved by those they had come to trust. IT IS TIME TO TAKE A STAND...TIME FOR THE TRADITIONALSTS IN THE MENNONITE CHURCH TO PICK UP THE ARMOR OF THE LORD AND BEGIN TO FIGHT A GOOD FIGHT! As a teacher, I see firsthand the effects of the breakdown of tradiitional families and what it is doing to the next generation. My heart truly hurts for the children that are being taught untruth as truth. I know that "Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy" and I believe that he sees much of the world as a relatively easy target at this point...in the end, even the elect will be deceived. Jesus told us to "go out and share the Good News"....and the Good News is always based on God's established truths. Belief is not, and never will be, synonymous for truth.

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Jenny Miller
10/7/2014 10:33:32 pm

Believe me, Doug, as a counselor, I too see a lot of the breakdown in family stability that you talk about. I agree, I wish as Christians we would take this more seriously. Things like unfaithfulness, divorce, materialism, adults having no time for their children, child abuse, domestic abuse, sexual violence and exploitation, pornography, single parenting, teen pregnancy, and a slew of other things are affecting healthy families today. Lets shine the light on some of these problems, instead of zeroing in on homosexuality as the culprit. My heart hurts for children who do not have two loving, caring parents modeling commitment, fidelity, respect, and faith. This is what is sorely lacking, their sexual orientation matters little.
As far as the analogy with the cheeseburgers, I’m sorry, I’m not sure I’m getting the point. Choosing to ingest unhealthy foods despite ample scientific evidence (truth) that it is unhealthy, is clearly a poor and selfish choice as well as a lack of self control. Being born with a homosexual orientation causes most gay people a lot of pain and anguish due to the terrible discrimination and judgement they face. For those that are able to even face and admit to the truth of who they are, many strive for a normal, healthy, loving, Christian relationship. Instead of rejecting these people as sinners and adding to their burden, I pray that the church is able to show love and support for their respectful, committed, life-long family bonds.
As far as the Ben and Jerry’s is concerned, though, I think we should be addressing gluttony. There are also the sins of wrath, pride, greed, lust, envy, and sloth.

By the way, Sam, the Bible, though inspired by God, was written by real human people for other real human people and was translated multiple times throughout the ages by yet more real human people. Any reading of the Bible is invariably done through your own specific lens, requiring careful discernment and interpretation.

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Sam derr
10/9/2014 12:17:03 pm

By the way jenny where do you get that pornography lust greed or gluttony ect. Are sins if you believe you cannot take the bible as truth why do you believe those are sins

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Jenny
10/9/2014 02:07:36 pm

Sam, I'm not sure where you got the impression that I don't take the Bible as truth. Here's a link to a blog entry by Rob Bell on sin:
http://robbellcom.tumblr.com/post/80913487032/what-is-the-bible-part-59-sin
He does a much better job than I do at explaining this and many other things; he is a brilliant Christian author and pastor, who sees the Bible (as I do) as definite God-breathed truth. I highly recommend his "What is The Bible" series!

Doug Klopfenstein
10/10/2014 05:54:54 am

Jenny...Rob Bell lost over 1,000 members at "Mars" due to his liberal stance a couple years ago, Oprah supports his latest book and he has also moved to California...enough said. If you want to read things beyond the Bible itself, may I suggest Francis Chan instead?

Joshua Martin
10/8/2014 08:26:58 am

Miss Jenny, I acknowledge and agree that there are a number of issues facing the church that we need to adress and face. At this time I think it is important to adress homosexuality alongside other forms of sexual impurity. I do not mean it to sound like homosexuality is a "super sin" but I think of it on the same plane as other forms of sexual impurities and not minimize it because it is the new face of social judgement.

In regards to your comments on the potential fallacies of certain scripture passages I would make a statement. Scripture is a cornerstone of our faith and if we start seeing "cracks" in it perhaps it is because we do not want to acknowledge our disagreements with it. If we truly believe in an omnipotent Lord is it hard to believe that what he says is his word could be preserved through the generations. I just want to say that if we continue to be followers of Christ we must be ready to go against the norms of society while maintaining a language of both love and truth.

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Doug Klopfenstein
10/8/2014 10:37:19 am

God says homosexuality is a sin...end of story. Call me simplistic and intolerant, but I choose God's plan in creation for my life...the human body so clearly defines what His plan was - woman/man relationship. My intolerance is not for homosexuality itself...it is for anyone who tries to manipulate God's word of truth and tell me that they can pick and choose what to believe...complete selfishness to attempt to put our ways above God's clear plan. God is love, but also is jealous and just. His rules are put into place to protect us...just as we do as parents for our own children. If I am wrong in my thinking, I still have had a very stable life and my faith in Jesus will allow me to continue worshiping Him forever. What happens to those that manipulate God's ways fit into their own plans for their lives if their wrong???

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John M Troyer
10/11/2014 04:28:28 am

I am closing comments on this post. There are a number of pending comments, and as I read through them it seemed there was no real progress in better understanding the other point of view.

In addition, as I posted in a new blog today, I don't want to give credence to the postmodern perspective on sexual diversity. The stakes are too high and too many people are getting hurt by this perspective. I love and care for many people who think this way, but we have already gone too far in making space for that viewpoint.

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